Lk. 2:29-32 - A light for revelation to the Gentiles


29 Lord, now you are letting your servant depart in peace, according to your word;

30 for my eyes have seen your salvation

31 that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples,

32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel



Simeon is a righteous and devout man who has been looking for the ’consolation’ or ’comforting’ (paraklēsis) of Israel. The phrase is an unmistakable reference to the theme of the ’comforting’ of Israel and Zion that is found widely in Isaiah 40-66. The most interesting passage is Isaiah 52:7-10:

How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings good news, who publishes peace, who brings good news of happiness, who publishes salvation, who says to Zion, “Your God reigns.” The voice of your watchmen - they lift up their voice; together they sing for joy; for eye to eye they see the return of the LORD to Zion. Break forth together into singing, you waste places of Jerusalem, for the LORD has comforted his people; he has redeemed Jerusalem. The LORD has bared his holy arm before the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.

Here we have an announcement of ’good news’ that YHWH is returning to Zion following Israel’s protracted exile; he will defeat Israel’s enemies and reign as king. This is what Jesus will enact prophetically when he rides into Jerusalem on a donkey. The people of Israel will be comforted, forgiven; her judgment will be brought to an end (cf. Isaiah 40:1-2). Moreover, Isaiah’s statement ’he has redeemed Jerusalem’ is picked up by Luke in his account of the prophetess Anna, who spoke of Jesus ’to all who were waiting for the redemption of Jerusalem’ (Lk. 2:38).

When Isaiah says that ’all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God’, he does not mean that all the ends of the earth will be saved or that they will hear the gospel. He means that the nations will see what God has done for his people. Arguably, Simeon makes the same limited point when he speaks of a salvation that has been ’prepared in the presence of all peoples, a light for revelation to the Gentiles’ (Luke 2:30-31). The salvation of this oppressed people in the midst of the powerful and hostile nations of the world will reveal to the world the true nature of YHWH, especially his faithfulness towards the people of his promise.

Psalm 98:1-3 speaks of the salvation of Israel that God has ‘made known’; his righteousness has been ‘revealed… in the sight of the nations’. ‘All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.’ In Isaiah the servant of the Lord will bring about the restoration of Israel and in the process will be ‘a light for the nations’ (Is. 49:6; cf. 42:6). He will release the prisoners from darkness (Is. 49:6; cf. 42:7; 61:1), he will open the eyes of the blind (42:7); he will ‘bring back the preserved of Israel’ (49:6). But this salvation will have an impact on the nations: they will see what God has done for his people (52:10), they will see the character of his righteousness and justice, they will acknowledge his power and glory (49:7), they will be instrumental in bringing back the scattered Jews to Zion (49:22; 60:4), they will travel to see the ‘light’ of Israel, bringing tribute and praise (60:1-14), they will recognize the people of Israel as ‘priests of the Lord… ministers of our God’ (61:6), they will see the righteousness and glory of Israel (62:2).

The point is that what is envisaged in the birth stories is not a universal salvation but the deliverance of a people from oppression and the restoration of worship and justice. This is a localized event, but it will not go unnoticed in the world; it will have a profound impact on the nations. The journey of the magi to pay homage to the new king exemplifies this.

A narrative theology needs to respect these constraints. But a narrative theology must also, of course, ask questions about where this national salvation leads. What is the place in the world of a people that has been saved by the child who was to travel a path of suffering obedience in order to become Israel’s king?

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So how was YHWH seen to have fulfilled the promise of Isaiah 52:7-10, in the light of events as they actually transpired? In what way was YHWH seen to have become a God who demonstrated his kingly reign on behalf of his people? Over what, and whom, precisely did he conquer? How did he reveal his righteousness to the whole earth? In what sense might it be the case for the psalmist to declare that, if not at the time, yet at some point in the future, ‘All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God’? What kind of victory would be so astounding that it would seize the attention of the whole earth when the victory was declared?

As Andrew says, the journey of Jesus to the temple on a donkey enacted the return of YHWH to the temple. However, since YHWH had already been demonstrated to have been within Jesus, it is fair to say that this was both prophetic enactment and actual fulfilment. (Jesus himself had time and again demonstrated that the functions of the temple were now to be found in himself, and short of blasphemy, that could only have meant that he and God were mutually identified with each other).

What did Jesus as more than an emissary of YHWH go on to accomplish? Not a raid on the Antonia fortress (right turn at the temple on his journey thither), in which the final confrontation with Rome could have been orchestrated, but a few more days teaching in the temple precincts, before an arrest, rigged trial, crucifixion and death. And on the third day (whichever means of counting you employ), a resurrection from the dead, an ascension 40 days later (no more resurrection appearances) and an outpouring of the Spirit - the enduement of power on the church to complete its inner identity and to take the gospel to the whole world.

But what was the gospel? And how were the prophecies, such as those we are pursuing in these advent meditations, fulfilled? How were the enemies of Israel overcome? Who was Israel, more to the point?

Looking at it from this point of view, the enemies of Israel were the selfsame enemies of the nations - sin, and sin’s partner, death. At this point in the narrative, and the narrative as seen in its key historical perspective, sin, or absence of forgiveness of sins, was the problem which underlay all Israel’s problems. Her history stretched behind her like a reproach. In the past, temporary measures had been applied - a deliverer here, a King there, temple ceremonies. Now, these no longer seemed to work. There wasn’t even a proper temple where YHWH might be seen to abide. Moreover, the pagan oppressor, Rome, seemed to be able to exercise the heavy power of death as the means of oppressing the whole nation. Death by crucifixion was the ultimate sanction held against those who chose to resist its power. In this sense, death had been the ultimate sanction wielded by all the pagan oppressors. In the past, there had been times when God intervened, but now, Israel seemed to share the same underlying disease as those who oppressed her - all were sinners in the sight of God.

Yet in Jesus was somebody who seemed to bring something different. Many of the expectations of a return from exile, albeit without the expulsion of the pagans, were being fulfilled through Jesus and amongst those around him. Some of the pagans seemed to be included in Jesus’s exile-return too. This exile-return in Jesus was being seen as the provision of what Israel wanted and needed - inclusion of the marginalized and those excluded by the temple system, forgiveness of sins in its broadest sense - cleansing, healing, release from demonic oppression, restoration into the community, especially the new community of people which was forming around him. And so to his death - Jesus apparently at the mercy of all the powers that were ranged against life itself - oppressive Rome, corrupt Israel, a people choosing resistance by violence in its choice of Barabbas.

What was the significance of Jesus’s resurrection? A life which had overcome human and demonic powers, overcome the power of sin by overcoming death itself. Here, then, when it dawned upon his followers (and still remains to do so today, apparently), was the fulfilment of those magnificent verses in Isaiah, where the herald comes to the city from the battleground (the city none less than Jerusalem itself), announcing the victory of YHWH the King over his enemies, and summoning Israel, and no less the entire world to allegiance to the conqueror. Now the full significance of all that the veiled king had said and done in his three years of itinerance in Israel could be seen. Accounts of his life began to be formed, with a double perspective - how the disciples and Israel had seen him at the time, how he was to be understood now, in the light of events which had come about.

Further, that life which astounded the disciples in his resurrection was to be augmented by an enduement on all believers from the day of Pentecost onwards. Nothing less than a new creation was being brought into the old creation, beginning in Jesus’s followers, preparing for the day of complete consummation of YHWH’s plans for all creation.

The death and resurrection of Jesus were the victory spoken of by Isaiah and by the psalmist. The Spirit was the earnest of its reality in the lives of those who believed. The destiny of Israel to be a light to the nations was now a possibility and reality - a message to be taken to the ends of the earth. What else would have impelled the followers of Jesus to leave the safety and security of their homeland, and venture into the unknown world, against which hostility and contempt had been bred in their very bones?

As for national Israel, the future in the immediate was both sad and tragic. Hostility to Rome came to a head, a futile rising was put down with incredible savagery. Judgement - or a misguided persistence in pressing for a national triumph which would provide an alternative fulfilment of prophecy, according to an alternative reading of her narrative history? Certainly not the fulfilment which Jesus came so magnificently to fulfil through the paradoxical means of his humble birth and earthly life, his suffering and death, his resurrection from the dead, his outpouring of the very life of YHWH on his followers, and the inauguration of a mission to Israel, which became Israel’s mission to the entire world.

Are these the retrospective interpretations of a church which has lost connection with its historical moorings in the very origins of the faith? Is it an interpretation which divides Greek universalising from Jewish particularism? No - this is the story proclaimed by Peter at Pentecost, by the apostles, and the story which is the thread connecting the strange history of Israel, and not just her history, but her account of the world’s history in her sacred texts. The story make sense of the song of Simeon, the prophets and psalms quoted by Andrew, and which is our story today, if we are willing to receive it. Can there be a better story? “And when you hear a wonderful story, you want to tell it to your friends; tell them that a lifetime spent with Jesus is like a street that never ends” - Larry Norman/Sweet, sweet song of salvation.

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Peter wrote-

As Andrew says, the journey of Jesus to the temple on a donkey enacted the return of YHWH to the temple. However, since YHWH had already been demonstrated to have been within Jesus, it is fair to say that this was both prophetic enactment and actual fulfilment. (Jesus himself had time and again demonstrated that the functions of the temple were now to be found in himself, and short of blasphemy, that could only have meant that he and God were mutually identified with each other).

Peter, do you mean to say that Jesus’ donkey ride on Palm Sunday fulfilled scriptures like:

“Then the man brought me to the gate facing east, 2 and I saw the glory of the God of Israel coming from the east. His voice was like the roar of rushing waters, and the land was radiant with his glory. 3 The vision I saw was like the vision I had seen when he came to destroy the city and like the visions I had seen by the Kebar River, and I fell face down. 4 The glory of the Lord entered the temple through the gate facing east. 5 Then the Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court, and the glory of the Lord filled the temple.” (Ezek 43:1-5) Also Ezek 44:1-4?

I’ve always read these as Second Coming prophecies, which I presumed Jesus added to by his first symbolic entry to the temple accompanied by inspired shouts of “blessed is the King of Israel” (John 12:13-15). The first entrance of a King whose “rule will extend from sea to sea, and from the River (Euphrates) to the ends of the earth.” (Zech 9:9-10)

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Dear Shoebox9,

I was probably trying to irritate Andrew more than make a joined-up comment. However the ‘Palm Sunday’ donkey ride does seem to be a conscious reference to Zechariah 9:9, which leads immediately into the triumphant worldwide proclamation and victory of Zechariah 9:10-13. I see this worldwide fulfilment going beyond the Jerusalem/Rome horizon, which forms the centrepiece of Andrew’s eschatology, but not into a far-distant ‘second coming’. The future worldwide triumph proceeds through the ascension/outpoured Spirit of Jesus - it begins within the pages of the NT.

By taking the imagery of Zecharaiah 9, Jesus was subverting Israel’s nationalistic expectations with a quite different fulfilment of his own, beginning with the victory of the cross (life conquering death), continuing with the worldwide proclamation of the gospel (Pentecost onwards), and finding its completion in a future second coming - though perhaps, ‘fully realised coming’ might be a better way of describing it in view of the sensibilities of the OST site.

In a similar vein, I think the Ezekiel passages you quote find fulfilment in Jesus’s earthly history - triumphal entry etc - but lay the foundation for a future, yet to be completed fulfilment, in which the temple would take on a more metaphorical than literal meaning.

But many of the elements for a preteristic fulfilment of prophecy are there - for instance, the glory of God was already in Jesus before his resurrection and ascension - John 1:14. The glory of God was therefore in Jesus in his ‘triumphant entry’ to the temple, and thus fulfilled Ezekiel’s description of the glory of God coming from the East. Other prophecies of Ezekiel find their fulfilment preteristically, eg Ezekiel 47 at Pentecost.

Likewise, the Benedictus of Zechariah has to be seen in the context of a Luke/Acts fulfilment, rather than an OT-shaped fulfilment - or a futuristic Revelation-shaped fulfilment.

‘Preteristic’ would be better described as ‘Jesus shaped’ - in the sense that Jesus (rather than the far distant future) provides the hermeneutical key for eschatology, with the key events being his death/resurrection, ascension/outpoured Spirit. For this line of thought, see Adrio Koenig/The Eclipse of Christ in Eschatology, and G.C.Berkouwer/The Second Coming of Christ (in his systematic theology).

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Andrew,

I am greatly appreciating your advent texts and comments. The Simeon account, with sure echoes of Isaiah’s message of consolation, does indeed have a significant missional thrust that must be one of the ongoing purposes for the people of God as the same passage is cited by Paul in Romans 10.

My friend Stanley Porter recently spoke with me about this text in terms of the feet metaphor that highlights movement and presence. “St. Paul’s quotation of Isaiah in Romans 10:15 is an affirmation of incarnational presence. It speaks of corporeal involvement, as Christ’s coming to us meant that he had to assume feet of clay. The divine apostolic movement that is behind this allusion to the feet is no less than an expression of Trinitarian love.”

This is hugely important to Simeon’s understanding of Israel as a light of revelation to the Gentiles, which is, indeed, its glory. (Luke 2:32) No wonder that Simeon was free to depart in peace. In this way, the Nunc dimittis is powerful for us as well. Let’s recite it or sing it throughout this advent season with commensurate zeal.

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To follow Andrew’s argument, localized national salvation logically would lead to cosmic redemption (Romans 8:18-31). Paul makes it very clear in Romans 5 that through the “one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men… even so through obedience of the One the many will be made righteous” (Romans 5:18-9, NAS). This is not the same as universal salvation (salvation for all men). The reason Christ’s incarnation does not lead to universal salvation is that faith comes by hearing the Gospel (Romans 10:14-15). Yes, redemption is now made available to all, but upon hearing and even seeing the good news, some still will not accept it since not all will understand it. This is the paradox of the gospel since it is both hidden and revealed (upon seeing Jesus healing people, some still did not believe he is the son of God and wanted to kill him – Matthew 9:27-34; 12:13-14). The gospel is ultimately foolishness to those who don’t have the Spirit of God (1 Corinthians 2:14). This is why Paul points out that the Gospel is either a fragrance to those who accept it and a stench to those who wants nothing to do with it (2 Corinthians 2:15-16).

Indeed the in-breaking of Christ’s physical presence in the world will not go unnoticed. This is seen in his personal ministry on earth. Moreover, God’s plan of redemption and reconciliation (reconciling of enmity between God and man, and man and his fellow man) is further amplified in the meal of the Last Supper. This intimate act of sharing a meal is a sign of peace and reconciliation between enemies (c.f. Psalm 23:5). Imagine if the church truly practiced this institution within its four walls and also in the world. Surely this will not go unnoticed by the world. The arrival of Christ and his kingdom is a reality demonstrated in signs such as the Last Supper.

As Andrew points out, Simeon’s search for the “consolation” of Israel is an echo of Isaiah 40-66 and in particular, Isaiah 52:7-10. Paul alludes to this same passage when he talks about Israel’s stubbornness and unwillingness to believe even God himself demonstrated miracles and signs (Romans 9-10). Simeon’s understanding of baby Jesus as the fulfillment of God’s promise to Israel leads him to say that the birth of Jesus is something God has “prepared in the presence of all peoples” (Luke 2:31, NAS). This preparation of fulfillment began long ago since the beginning of creation, and as Paul points out, this message has been spoken in the majesty and glory God imbued throughout creation (Romans 10:18 and Psalm 19). Paul’s reference to the wisdom psalm (Psalm 19) is further indication that God’s plan is cosmic, a plan to redeem not just man but also creation itself.

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I thank Andrew for pointing these several direct references to the arrival of Jesus as a national savour of the Jewish people.

How do we then interpret verses like: “…as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us; to show the mercy promised to our fathers…”?

This mercy promised to their fathers wasn’t promised to a small sub-group (Messianic Jews) that would almost vanish within a few short generations. Most of the OT prophets have prophecies about a coming time when YHWH will move mightily to re-gather and restore Israel as a prosperous, secure nation, who will then become a true light to the whole world. (Isa 66:18-21, Isa 49:22-23, Jer 30-31, Jer 31:36-41, Jer 33:14-26, Ezek 43:1-12, Joel 3:1-2, Amos 9:11-15, Micah 4:1-7, Zeph 3:9-20, Zech 14:16-21) I believe Zechariah & Simeon both told us that Jesus was going to be the one to bring these many prophecies about- the great longed for ‘consolation of Israel.’

One problem is that we (western tradition Christians) aren’t accustomed to thinking about Jesus in this light. Another problem is that events didn’t turn out that way. The national saviour died horribly instead. (Oops.)

The options that I can currently see follow. Please excuse the tongue in cheek.

1) Ignore the whole Israel thing and get back to what we’re good at (gentile stuff). De-Judahising Jesus has sort of worked for several thousand years now, even if he some of what He said doesn’t seem very clear.

2) Swap out all the references to “Israel”, replace them with “Church,” and be creative with the ones that don’t fit. It would seem to me that a major problem with this approach is it demands that a string of major prophets weren’t actually prophesying about the people they said they were (and were delivering the prophecy’s to), but were actually talking about a small sub-group who would one day form a new religious community that would quickly be taken over by gentiles. One the other hand, one big advantage of the swap approach is that it makes more sense historically.

3) Allow a time gap. This approach lets Jesus be born as a national saviour of the Jewish people, The Messiah who will save his people from their sins, who will restore them from a state of physical distress and exile, who will gather them from the four corners of the earth, put a new covenant into their hearts, and establish Jerusalem as a light to the whole world. Only strangely, he doesn’t do this during his life time. He dies, there’s a long time gap, and then he returns to (among other things) sort out Israel’s oppressors.


The beauty of the third option would seem to be that the many, many prophecies about Israel’s restoration can be read literally, they don’t need to be “spiritualised away”, or applied to already occurred events in a forced or perhaps even neglectful (to the scriptures) manner.

So, I’d like to suggest that Simeon really did see the one who was to be YHWH’s salvation and glory to His people Israel (not a new Israel-replacing sub-group), but unbeknown to Simeon (or seemingly anyone else), this baby wouldn’t bring this about for over another 2000 years.

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I’m a bit sad no one has taken up the above thoughts so far. However there are some other excellent threads running.

Andrew said:

Simeon is a righteous and devout man who has been looking for the ‘consolation’ or ‘comforting’ (paraklēsis) of Israel. The phrase is an unmistakable reference to the theme of the ‘comforting’ of Israel and Zion that is found widely in Isaiah 40-66.

By my reading there is far more in these chapters then could be presumed to have been fulfilled during Christ’s first coming, and applying it all to merely His new followers (who are briefly Jewish), would certainly appear to “rip off” the distressed people Isaiah gave these words of comfort and encouragement to.

These prophecies appear to have been intended to give the Jews (“so will your name and descendants endure” Isaiah 66:22) a rich hope and promise during their time of short term judgement and utter loss. How can these verses not be about their name and descendants?

this is what the Lord says: pour robust well-being into her like a river, the glory of nations like a river in flood. You’ll nurse at her breasts, nestle in her bosom, and be bounced on her knees. As a mother comforts her child, so I’ll comfort you. You will be comforted in Jerusalem. You’ll see all this and burst with joy —you’ll feel ten feet tall— As it becomes apparent that God is on your side and against his enemies.”

The Message :
(Is 66:12-14).

It was yet another blow that this regathering and redeeming of Israel didn’t happen during the life time of the one born to bring it about. Yet He will do it.

Comments?

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Just a couple of thoughts in response relating to the apparent lack of fulfilment of Old Testament prophecy, though the issue is a difficult one: we’re not going to reach a definitive answer to it.

The first has to do with how we imagine Jesus and the authors of the New Testament interpreted prophecy. It seems to me that we cannot reduce it simply to a matter of consistent literal correspondence between prophecy and event. More often than not what we have is something much more like analogy, typology, or in some other way a re-application of the prophetic vision. For example, Daniel’s vision of a son of man coming on the clouds of heaven clearly relates historically to the crisis provoked by Antiochus Epiphanes. Assuming that Jesus understood this, we must conclude that when he invokes this narrative, he sees coming events as something more complex than a literal fulfilment of Daniel’s prophecy.

I would be inclined to argue that Jesus (as a prophet) was highly creative and self-conscious in the way that he reworked the Old Testament narrative around himself - the symbolism of the temple would be another example. What we find in Jesus is both a fulfilment of scripture and a quite radical reconfiguration of the hope of the people of God.

I wonder too whether option 3 wouldn’t lead us to the conclusion that the Old Testament did not, in fact, foresee the current existence of the church prior to the literal restoration of ethnic Israel.

Secondly, I would argue that Paul basically deals with the problem that you raise in Romans 9-11. On the one hand, there is the thought that it is bound to be a remnant that is saved from destruction. On the other, we should keep in mind that he is writing prior to the war against Rome and the eventual obliteration of the nation. The possibility is still there that Israel as a nation would turn back from a course that, as Jesus had clearly warned, would end in destruction. If that had happened, then presumably the people of God would have preserved its core Jewish identity, with Gentiles perhaps having a more peripheral involvement as branches grafted in to the olive tree of Israel. It didn’t happen, so the movement became effectively a Gentile one.

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Looking at your options, I have to say that I think at least Paul would opt for option 2, rather than 3. Paul believed that baptism into the Spirit of Christ made one into part of the “true” or “new” Isreal. He believed that this gesture of faith had much more signifcance to God than one’s lineage. He cited the fact that Abraham was chosen for the convenant because of his faith. This was an extremely unpopular idea among both Christian Jews (like Peter & James) and the Gentiles he sought to convert- even though they all acknowledged a place for Gentiles within the movement, which included baptism. Everybody liked their lineage, especially the Jews, they did not want to give up their status as God’s chosen people. But Paul was very tenacious about this concept which he maintained God revealed to him through a vision of the holy spirit.

By the way, I’m stealing all this from a pretty cool book called “Rabbi Paul.” This is the only book I’ve read on the subject, so I’m sure my perspective is skewed by it. Though it is written from a historical perspective, and is not always flattering of Paul’s character, it definitely doesn’t seek to “debunk” Paul’s ideas. And this one, about the “New Israel” in particular, is well backed up by Paul’s own writings.

So, from what I’ve read, if you don’t agree with redefining Isreal as those that are baptize into the holy spirit, or as you called it “the church,” I think that you are disagreeing with Paul. However, from what I read in this book, in disagreeing with Paul, you are in good company, with the likes of Peter and James.

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Thanks Reuben, great post. I was hoping someone would recommend further reading :-)

Without this book in my hands, my initial response would be that Paul would have been horrified by such a suggestion.

The issue in Galatians was whether or not Gentiles had to become Jews before they could be saved. The Jerusalem counsel declared that they didn’t. Gentiles could be in direct saving relationship without needing to come under the Mosaic Covenant, and later terminology would describe this as God Fearing Gentiles being grafted into the vine that is Israel.

On the other hand Paul never for a moment suggested that Jews should stop keeping the Mosaic laws, and went to great pains to declare and demonstrate that he didn’t believe or teach such a thing during his last visit to Jerusalem. (Acts 21:19-29) To suggest he taught or even thought that the very specific words of the great prophets regarding Israel’s descendants (being one day regathered and restored), were actually spoken about Gentiles who had faith in Jesus, would have been an outrage of unbelievable proportions. The orthodox Jews who wanted Paul dead wouldn’t have needed to find liars to testify that he’d been teaching Jews they no longer need to keep the Torah. They would have had enough true ammunition to enrage any mob and have Paul stoned on sight.

And what would we make of the very many prophecies like Zech 16:14-21? “16 Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths.” In my opinion to re-interpret these prophecies so that they no longer apply to literal Israel requires a lot of creativity, and would have (I imagine) been unthinkable to the early church.

I present these arguments/questions forcefully, but as one grappling myself, rather than as one seeking to convert the reader. I don’t even know what the standard historical responses to these questions would be among pre-millenniumists.

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Don’t get me wrong- I did not mean to sugget in any way that Paul thought that Jews should not keep (at least most of) the Torah. He thought there was a distiction of some kind between Jews & Christian gentiles, but he also didn’t think that the distinction was important enough to keep people from eating together. This all by itself is slackening at least the stricter interpretations of Mosaic law. To keep the dietery laws properly, most jews of Paul’s time thought you couln’t even eat near people that didn’t, which meant that the eucharist (along with baptism) the most important christian ritual, was a segregated affair- in fact most of the places where Paul was helping to build churches had entirely separate groups, real Jewish (Diaspora) Christians, Gentiles that were “God-fearers” (people that attended synogogues and followed some of the Torah, but were not circumcised) and then people who were straight pagans before they found Jesus (the ordinary pagans were a group that only Paul really thought it was okay to even approach.) He was emphatic about how necesarry it was for those distictions to disappear to some extent, so that the eucharist could be celebrated in real communion- that they might truly become the Body of Christ- in which there is no slave or free, male or female, or Jew or Greek.

I also didn’t mean to suggest that he was excluding the jews, even the jews that did not embrace Jesus from the covenant of Abraham and all the prophecies that apply to them and their descendants. Rather, he was extending the reach of the covenant to all those that were baptized.

All the Christians during this period were in an often hostile debate about how gentiles were to be included in the Jesus movement, what would be required of them to do so, and just how integrated they would be with their Isrealite brothers. As you pointed out, in Galatians, Paul’s ferocious language gives us taste of just how contentious this debate was. Paul was the outspoken champion of the most complete unity that anyone could tolerate, and that was more than most people could handle. The reasons that you are pointing out -the very thought of having the covenant and the prophecies given to people other than Jewish progeny was scandalous- these are the very reasons Paul’s ideas were so unpopular. His ideas withstood the test of time since most real Jewish Christianity died with the Temple, and the primamily Gentile remnant that was left saw no reason to emphasize their second class status- thus began Christian anti-semitism. The “Gentile stuff” as you called it.

It was Zechariah (& I think Daniel’s?) prophecies about Isreal leading the rest of the world to salvation that Paul (and all of the Christians who wanted to inlcude Gentiles) cited to justify their cause. I wish I knew which verse you were talking about specifically since I think the above reference is a typo (there are only 14 chapters in Zech, right?)

But like I said, this is just one source. He seemed to have cogent arguments to me, but at this point I am merely a wannabe scholar, if even that. I haven’t read any other biographies about Paul, or much in the way of history of the ancient church. So I’m just parroting what this guy said, but I’m taking it with a grain of salt. So should everyone.

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Thanks Chris,

I’ve previously downloaded and listened to a seminar by NT Wright by the same name, but not read these books. I’ve not read Ben Witherington at all, and will look him up.

Reuben,

Sorry, the reference should have been Zech 14:16-21 which refers to a time when all nations will regard Israel as the people from whom to learn about God.

“To keep the dietary laws properly, most Jews of Paul’s time thought you couldn’t even eat near people that didn’t”


I was not aware this was the origin of the Jew’s refusal to eat with Gentiles. I would consider it a clear case of adding to the Law something that was never intended. In terms of interaction, the Phrases were actively seeking Gentile converts during this period, but there were two conflicting schools of thought over how much the converts had to do to be saved. The hostile debate within Christianity you refer to was simply a continuation of this larger and very vexing debate between the two main Pharisaic schools (Shammai & Hillel). The Shammai school considered Gentile converts (who did not become full Jews) a leprosy in Israel.

To my knowledge Paul (nor any other Canonical writer) didn’t even come close to claiming that the prophecies regarding the restoration of Israel as a light to the world, also now applied to non-Jewish Christians. The resulting scandal, had it existed, would have over shadowed the falsely manufactured one about Paul teaching Jews they no longer needed to keep Torah. My point was the Jewish antagonists would have had no need to create the false story we read of them doing.

Paul’s teaching was that once the full number of the Gentiles has come in, the deliverer will come from Zion, and He will turn godlessness away from Jacob. Rom 11:25-29 Here Paul interprets a redemption of Israel prophecy as specifically referring to just the Jews, rather than all those who have faith in God.

While it’s true that Paul also speaks of there being no difference between Jew & Gentile (Rom 10:11-13) this is in the specific context of salvation. I do not believe that Paul was saying one replaced or was identical to the other, as some theologians claim.

Re: A light for revelation to the Gentiles


The reason that Jews didn’t think that they should eat with Gentiles was that much of the meat that one bought in the market was “sacrificed” when it was slaughtered to one pagan god or another. This was not too common in Israel, but in the diaspora, it was simply how things were done. It was even a form of advertising, like getting Isis to endorse your ground chuck. Diaspora Jews keeping the Torah had to go out of their way to avoid these meats. Obviously, gentiles did not. This made eating with gentiles more than just a dietary or purity issue- eating the meat in a gentile home could make you an idolator without your knowledge. This is what Paul was talking about in 1 Chor 8:4-13. In this verse he takes the very controversial stance that since the pagan gods do not exist, a baptized christian can eat this meat- because they know that the sacrifice was just a fake, superstitious ritual performed by ignorant pagans. (Of course he qualifies this by saying that people with this new enlightened perspective shouldn’t use it to tempt those who are trying to follow the Law.)

Again, I don’t mean to say that Paul thought there was no difference between jews and baptized gentiles at all, but he did think that thtere was less difference than anyone else did. He was so emphatic about this that he attempted to erase rather serious taboos, like the one above.

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