Rev. 20:4-6 - Bringing the bizarre and complex into harmony with the rest of the NT
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4 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
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So much has been made of these verses, and the immediately surrounding context, with such extravagance and variety of interpretation, that a different approach might recommend itself. First – it might be helpful to concede that the verses are not (despite the protests of their interpreters) straightforward to interpret. Second – the popular interpretations (pre- post- or a-millennial theories) do not have much (if any) corroboration in other parts of the NT, though huge systems have been built on them using unmodified OT supporting material. Third – an interpretation in which simplicity combined with agreement with what can confidently be affirmed elsewhere in the NT is recommendable – especially where the use of the passage as a foundation for major novel eschatological categories can be avoided. Bearing these thoughts in mind, we can approach the verses. Translators have not found Greek to English translation of the verses straightforward, and a number of factors add to the difficulties. There is a strong possibility that John sees three, not two groups of people in 20:4-6 The first group is those who are seated on thrones – 20:4a. The “thrones” which the narrator sees recall the “thrones” referred to elsewhere in Revelation (4:4; 11:16). An unqualified third person plural then follows: “and they sat upon them”. Who are “they”? In the two other usages in Revelation, the thrones are occupied by the 24 elders (4:4; 11:16). This is unlikely to be an exception. But who are the 24 elders? The description is figurative: but recalls the 24 divisions of the priesthood (1 Chronicles 24), and in a more unlikely sense, could suggest the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles – or the whole number of the church in OT and NT. Otherwise, 24 is not a number used in the bible. 20:4a – The NIV “They had been given authority to judge” is better rendered more literally: “a sentence was given for them” – where ‘krima’ conveys the meaning of “sentence” (rather than judgment), as in its other two usages in Revelation (17:1; 18:20). An interpretation would be that God gives a verdict (the sentence) in favour of those on the throne and against their persecutors, instead of those on the thrones pronouncing judgment on others. Whatever sentence had been passed against the faithful witness which the elders gave in their earthly lives is now reversed, so that all the faithful may share in the vindication of those who are raised up and “seated with Christ in heavenly places” – Revelation 3:21; Ephesians 2:6. The second group John saw is the “souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and the word of God” – 20:4. The plural “psychas” repeats the idea of “psychas” in Revelation 6:9-11 – where the souls of the dead beneath the altar await vindication and re-embodiment in resurrection bodies. Unless the narrator is introducing a new meaning, it is unlikely that those seated on the thrones (20:4a) are limited to the martyrs who died for their faith, something that interpreters have emphasized by starting a separate sentence with additional words not in the Greek text: “And I saw” or “And also I saw” to introduce the faithful martyrs. The occupants of the thrones have already been identified in Revelation with the 24 elders – the priesthood of all believers who worship at God’s throne. In 20:4b a third group comes into view. Where the NIV (and other translations) assume that 20:4b is simply part of the description of the martyrs, “They had not worshipped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their forehead or their hands”, the Greek inserts – kai hotines – “and those who” as the third direct object of the introductory “And I saw”, which points us to a third group: faithful witnesses besides the martyrs who had not lost their lives. The whole sentence flowing from the introductory “And I saw”, which governs three qualifying statements, runs as follows: “And I saw (1.) thrones and they sat upon them, and a sentence was given for them; and (“I saw”) (2.) the souls of those beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus and on account of the word of God; and (“I saw”) (3.) those (kai hotines) who did not do homage to the beast or his image and did not receive the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand” This now means that in 20:4b, all who had not worshipped the beast – whether they experienced martyrdom or not – “lived”/ezesan – (better rendered than “came to life”) and reigned with Christ for the same period that Satan was bound – the 1000 years. By contrast, and in parenthesis, “the rest of the dead” (20:5a) did not live until the 1000 years were ended. “This is the first resurrection” (20:5b) completes the thought of verse 4. The “rest of the dead” now comprises all those who had not believed in Jesus and been faithful to him. Those who “lived” comprise all who believed in Jesus and were faithful to him – martyrs and survivors of persecution. These are they who experience “the first resurrection”. What is “the first resurrection” and when did it take place? Nowhere in the NT is it explicitly suggested that faithful martyrs of the 1st century will experience a resurrection separate from martyrs of any other time, or believers of all time, and neither need that be understood here. There is no reference to a “first resurrection” in the NT apart from 20:5b and 20:6a. But there is a reference to a two–part resurrection in John 5:24-25 and John 5:28-29, where the first part is the dead passing from death to life (24), and the dead living (25) before physical death, and the second part is the dead experiencing resurrection after physical death (29). The living (before physical death) are also said to be resurrected in Ephesians 2:6 and Colossians 2:12, where the verb, egeiro/synegeiro is elsewhere used of physical resurrection after death (Matthew 11:5, Romans 6:9 etc). In other words, there is an experience of some aspects of resurrection before death, and a full experience of resurrection after death. There are grounds for thinking therefore, that in Revelation 20:5b and 6a “the first resurrection” is this experience of some of the benefits of resurrection, by faithful witnesses whether martyred or not, before the full experience of physical resurrection. The experience of death and resurrection in this life before physical death and physical resurrection is also developed in 2 Corinthians 1, 4, 6, 12 & 13, and Philippians 3:10-11. As those who reign with Christ through “the first resurrection”, the faithful witnesses to Christ also participate in his 1000 year victory now – not in some eschatological distant future. (20:4b, 6b). Although 20:6b has this period of reigning as priests and kings in the future tense, it is only future in the sense of following the “first resurrection” – which is experienced as a present reality by all who believe in and are loyal to Jesus. The 1000 years is more about the extent of the triumph over Satan than it is about a particular period of time. Tyrannies like to describe themselves as having a “1000 year” duration. Rome was the tyranny of the time of Revelation – but the reign of God through Christ was even greater than Rome, and would long outlast it. To summarise: faithful followers of Jesus in the 1st century experienced life (readily qualified as the life of the Spirit) in this life, whether they were martyred or lived through and survived persecution; they “reigned” with Christ in this life. The reign of Christ is not to be thought of as something beginning at some point in the future – it begins in the present (Cp Romans 17:5b) in the lives of all believers; believers are a “royal priesthood” in the present, not in the future (1 Peter 2:9); the second death has no power over believers in the present (20:6), not simply when they die physically. The “thrones” of 20:4 (4:4; 11:16) have implications for the living as well as the dead, earth as well as heaven – for they are not the thrones of power as it is understood in worldly terms (Cp Ephesians 1:20-23, 2:6), but of those who “reign in life”. This interpretation, which readily fits the available data, does away with the need to create complicated eschatological scenarios, or hypothesize a category of 1st century resurrected beings living in heaven (or maybe coming back to earth in a pre-millennial kingdom). It magnifies the victory of Christ in his first advent (but not to the extent of triumphalistically eliminating Satan entirely). There is only one category of the faithful living, and only one category of the faithful dead – alongside one category of the unfaithful dead (“the rest of the dead”), all of whom will experience resurrection at the same time, as suggested by John 5:28-29 and 1 Corinthians 15. In this interpretation, Revelation can take its place alongside everything suggested about eschatology in the NT. The focus resumes its rightful place – on the Jesus who died, and was raised from the dead, as the basis of everything that we believe and experience now, and will do in the future. See also: |
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Those on the thrones in Rev 20-4
I am a "Johnny come lately" to this discussion as I just found it today (01-25-08). I trust that Peter and Andrew are still in touch here.
I am amazed and appalled that neither one of you referred to Jesus’ own commentary on who sits on these thrones as found in Matthew 19:28, 25:31, & Revelation 3:21. Mystery solved?
Lloyd
Mystery solved?
Appalled, Lloyd? Isn’t that a bit of an over-reaction? After all, it’s not the end of the world!
Actually, Revelation 3:21 is mentioned in the discussion. But the Matthew passages are certainly relevant and worth considering. I won’t try to address all the details at this point. I still think that the Son of man story from Daniel 7 provides the basic interpretive framework.
In Matthew 19:28 Jesus promises those who follow him as the Son of man on a path of renunciation and suffering will be vindicated with him and reign with him throughout the coming age (the age which has now come). He adds to this the detail of twelve thrones and judging twelve tribes (evoking the period of the Judges?), but this does not alter the basic narrative.
Matthew 25:31-46 describes a rather different scenario. In this story what we have is not the giving of judgment in favour of (ie. the vindication of) the suffering disciples but the judgment of the nations according to the manner in which they have treated the suffering disciples. So I would be wary of trying to correlate this story symbolically or narratively with the other texts. I would argue that the New Testament uses the judgment scene metaphor in different ways to describe different aspects of the hope given to the suffering community.
The translation of Revelation 20:4a remains difficult. The text reads something like: ‘And I saw thrones and they were seated upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those beheaded because of their witness….’ The phrase ‘judgment was given to them’ is found in Daniel 7:22 Theod., where it clearly refers to the judgment given by God in favour of the suffering saints of the Most High. That rather suggests that the thrones of Revelation 20:4 stand for the judgment of God (ie. the 24 elders?) when he vindicates the faithful followers of Jesus - though it occurs to me that perhaps a distinction is to be made between the twelve disciples and the rest of the suffering community. The disciples sit on these (twelve?) thrones and pass judgment in favour those who subsequently lose their lives for Jesus in the struggle against Rome.
Actually for Peter, Paul,
Actually for Peter, Paul, James, John and the other first century “overcomers” it was “the end of the world,” i.e., the end of the Mosaic Marriage Covenant world and the beginning of a brand new world!
Yes, in checking the documents again I see that you did “mention” Rev 3:21, but nothing was “mentioned” about the portion of that passage that clearly links it to Matthew 25:31 and Matthew 19:28.
Before going any further here, please permit me to affirm that I also see Daniel as “the basic interpretive framework.” I also agree with you that “the coming age” has now come, i.e. began in the first century AD. So there, at least, we are on the same page.
I know that you stated that you will not “try to address all of the details at this point.” However, I am somewhat frustrated that you seem to have missed what I consider to be one of the most important and obvious details in Matthew 19:28, 25:31, and Revelation 3:21. The details to which I refer are “in the regeneration (resurrection), when the Son of Man sits upon the throne of His glory" (Matt 19:28), “then (in the resurrection) shall He (the Son of man) sit upon the throne of his glory: (Matt 25:31)”, “sit with me in my throne (i.e., the throne of His glory).”
In my mind, at least, in each of the verses referenced above, Jesus clearly refers to taking His seat “in the throne of His glory” in the resurrection. To me at least, these details clearly and irrefutably tie these three verses together as being a reference to the Parousia (cf. 1Cor 15:23c) of Jesus Christ in direct response to the many prophecies given in the OT and cryptically and succinctly summarized in Luke 1:32-33:
I can find no prophecies in the OT or in the NT about Jesus “coming” or “returning” to earth to stay, much less about Him establishing an earthly kingdom, but I find many references to His Parousia, i.e. His enthronement to rule from heaven on the “throne of His father David.” The context of Matthew 24:27-29 adequately conveys the destruction of Jerusalem as the “sign” that the disciples requested in 24:3. Verse 30 states that this “sign,” i.e. the destruction of Jerusalem, was the “sign of the Son of man in heaven. Thus in context (Matt 24:3-39), this demonstrates that the “Parousia of the Son of man” of verses 3, 27, 37, & 39 is a heavenly event not an earthly event.
Matthew repeatedly refers to the kingdom that is about to come as “the kingdom of heaven.” Paul clearly presents the idea that he is looking forward to “the resurrection” (Php 3:10-11, et al.), seeing Jesus “face to face” (1Cor 13:12), “knowing as I am known,” and states that all of this will take place in “His heavenly kingdom” (2Tim 4:18). And Paul clearly states in 1Cor 15:23c that all those who belong to Christ will be resurrected “in His Parousia.”
In context, the NT conjoins the beginning of the heavenly kingdom with the resurrection of those that are Christ’s, His revelation, His appearing with the saints in glory, and His Parousia, i.e. sitting in the throne of His glory which takes place in heaven.
Keeping the above comments in firmly in mind, let us now take a careful look at Matthew 16:27-28:
Here, I put forward for your consideration that the phrase “the Son of Man will come in the glory…” has absolutely no implication nor statement about any future “return to or coming to” planet earth to set up a kingdom on earth. Instead, I submit that it a clear statement about His accession to the “throne of His glory…in His Parousia.
The transliteration (“angels”) instead of the translation (“messengers”) of the Greek “aggelos” causes much mischief here. I submit for your consideration that the phrase should read “with His messengers” and that it is a reference to the recently resurrected saints (cf. 1Cor 15:23c, 1Thess 4:14-17, et al.) who accompany Jesus into “the throne of His glory” as per Revelation 3:21. When the time for the accession into the throne of His glory arrived (1Cor 15:23c)) Jesus invited these “overcoming” saints to come, "…sit with Me on My throne…" (Revelation 3:21 NKJV).” Paul summarizes this as follows:
Here Paul is saying that Jesus Christ is about to judge “living and dead” according to the timing of His appearing in His heavenly kingdom with all His saints. At that time Jesus gave His “rewards” to those just resurrected overcomers. These “rewards” certainly would have included the reward of “thrones” promised in Matthew 19:28 & Revelation 3:21. These would be the “thrones” referenced in Revelation 20:4 which is clearly a Parousial passage (cf. 1Cor 15:23c, 1Thess 4:14-17, et al.)
At the same time (the obverse side of this event) Jesus began to “judge all nations” that had just been placed under His authority as the direct result of His accession to the “throne of His glory…in His Parousia” (Matthew 25:31-32, cf. 1Cor 15:23c, et al.). And He continues to judge the nations today.
Thanks for your consideration of these points.
Thrones, martyrs, and the first resurrection
Peter, this is a very thoughtful and coherent piece of exegesis, which is clearly meant to continue the many discussions we have had on these themes. I hope you won’t mind (I’m sure you won’t be surprised) if I take issue with some of the details.
There is no explicit connection between the thrones of Revelation 20:4 and the thrones of the 24 elders around the throne of God in heaven - unless, of course, they are the thrones of the 20:4 elders! The scene is much more like the judgment scene described in Daniel (cf. Kiddle, Revelation, 393; Aune, Revelation 17-22, 1085; Caird, Revelation, 252), which takes place on earth rather than in heaven - notice that these ‘souls’ are seen ‘under the altar’ in 6:9. As in Daniel the thrones are set up for the specific purpose of judgment, for the vindication of those who have suffered.
What is not so clear is whether those seated on the thrones pass judgment in favour of the martyrs or whether the vindicated martyrs are made to sit on the thrones (Caird’s view). In Revelation 3:21 the one who conquers (ie., remains faithful in the face of persecution) will sit on the throne of the ‘faithful and true witness’ - that is, reign with him throughout the symbolic 1000 year period to come. But it seems to me more likely here, given the strong echoes of Daniel 7, that in this scene the martyrs receive the judgment that is handed down from the thrones. The point is that judgment must be given in favour of the martyrs (and against their persecutors) before they are made to sit on the throne of the Lamb and reign with him. In other words, these thrones are symbolically and narratively distinct from the thrones of the 24 elders in heaven (though possibly it is the elders who sit in judgment on these thrones set up on earth) and the throne of the Lamb.
As you point out, there is some uncertainty as to whether those who have been beheaded for their testimony are the same group as those who have not worshipped the beast, etc. The problem with supposing that two distinct groups are in view here is that it would rather imply that the martyrs were killed for some other reason than that they had refused to worship the beast. The relative pronoun hoitines does not necessarily indicate a separate group; it commonly functions as a simple relative (cf. Rev. 1:7, 12; 2:24; 9:4; 11:8; 12:13; 17:12; 19:2). So it seems to me more likely that a single group is described. In any case, if Daniel 7 provides the controlling narrative, the thought is of that group against which the beast makes war, who are vindicated when the beast is destroyed (Rev. 19:20, corresponding to Dan. 7:11).
The ‘rest of the dead’ in 20:5 are those who are not the ‘dead’ of 20:4 - that is, all those who were not martyred because of their testimony to Jesus in opposition to the beast of Roman imperial theology. So in John’s apocalyptic vision the vindication of the martyrs (for whose sake, primarily, this whole book was written) is called the ‘first resurrection’. I think Paul hints at this in 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 and I would argue that 1 Thessalonians 4:14 describes a ‘first resurrection’ that is part of God’s vindication of those who suffer rather than a ‘second resurrection’ of all the dead. But in any case, it is a mistake (in my view) to attempt to correlate this apocalyptic motif with the metaphorical idea of a spiritual ‘coming to life’ with Christ in the present, where the thought of vindication is absent. I really don’t see how the assurance that those who have died because of their testimony Jesus will be raised and vindicated for their faithfulness can be reduced to the level of a symbolic dying and rising with Christ.
Re: Thrones, martyrs, and the first resurrection
Andrew - thank you for your reply, and yes, my comment does relate to previous conversations, though I wasn’t limiting it to that or digging at you in particular. My thoughts are not expressed so succinctly as yours; I hope you will bear with me.
I do see the connection between the thrones of Revelation 20:4 and Daniel 7:9. The question for me would be: what does the narrative of Daniel 7 signify, and in what way is John using the imagery in Revelation?
I see a collapsing of time sequence in Daniel 7. Judgment is foreseen, in the light of the oppression of the saints by the fourth beast. In context, the ‘little horn’ of Daniel 7:8 is the Antiochus IV figure, but the judgment scene takes us beyond vindications in history with imagery suggesting the final vindication, and that of the son of man figure. Here we run into a time dislocation of Israel’s expectations, with Jesus stepping into the son of man role in the middle of history. So far, we are in step, I think.
The whole territory of Daniel’s apocalyptic visions has been the downfall of many a convinced expositor, and the same is true of Revelation. It might be helpful to pause here, and to consider the possibility that the very purpose of apocalyptic is to stimulate debate about the precise details rather than provide all the answers (eg are the four beasts of Daniel 7 specific pagan empires in history, or are they a composite reflecting the totality of pagan oppression and savagery?). However, the overall picture is one of encouragement for the future of the saints, and the conviction that the God of Israel is in control, that he reigns.
When we look at how events actually transpired for Israel with the coming of Jesus, it’s possible to connect the way in which he brought Israel’s (and our) history to a climactic conclusion with the apocalyptic picture of Daniel 7, and to relate this to Revelation. So there is a sense in which judgment has already begun with the coming of Jesus, in which the destruction of Jerusalem and its temple was a very significant feature. But the history of Jesus suggests that his kingdom rule did not find its chief expression in this act, but in the totality of events connected with him: his earthly ministry, which provided a model of the Isaianic kingdom to come, his death and resurrection - which had a focus on the true enemies of the people of God (ie not the Romans or pagans), and his ascension/outpoured Spirit - which provided the means by which his kingdom was to be established on earth.
At the very least, in Daniel 7, it’s possible to see how a future judgment in favour of the oppressed saints is coloured and fleshed out in the light of all the events which surrounded the life of Jesus, and the establishment of the church. A straightforward ‘zapping’ of God’s enemies (or guarantee that they would be zapped) it was not to be.
Bearing this framework and these considerations in mind, we return to Revelation 20:4-6.
Acknowledging the link between the thrones of Daniel 7:9 and Revelation 20:4, I still think the immediate context of Revelation itself has to be kept in view, in which the ‘thrones’ (4:4 and 11:16) are already occupied by the 24 elders. I don’t see a problem with this - as far as interpreting 20:4 and connecting it with Daniel 7:9 are concerned. In Revelation, worship and judgment seem to go hand in hand - as far as the activities of the 24 may be concerned.
Also, I don’t see a problem in the location of the thrones - which is left indeterminate in Revelation and Daniel. Heaven and earth are not being seen as two separate and distinct places in the visions. Heaven is bringing its realities and judgments to bear on earth. At this point in Revelation, I think the author is showing that there is connection and continuity between earth and in heaven, as far as the occupants of the thrones are concerned, and the lives of the martyrs and those who have suffered persecution (but have lived through it). They reign, whether in heaven or on earth, because heaven reigns. That has already been made possible through Jesus. The reign, on earth as well as in heaven, is a reign ‘in life’ - which is of course the life of the Spirit. Nothing that Rome or earth do can take away that life.
I am less sure that the occupants of the thrones themselves are actually dispensing judgment or a sentence, (the Greek does not require this, and could suggest it is God’s judgment given on their behalf) - but that need not be a major issue.
I think there is a distinction between those who sit on the thrones and the martyrs - but it’s not as clear as the translations have suggested. So a case can be made for there being one, two or three groups in view in 4-5. The argument for three groups has particular attractions, and in context ‘kai hoitines’ (4b - “and those who” - omitted by most translations) does bring an emphasis which suggests a third group is in view.
The case for three groups commends itself particularly because there is no need then to separate the martyrs from the sufferers of persecution generally - they are all in view in the light of vindication to come, and this lays the groundwork for doing away with a unique 1st century bodily resurrection of the martyrs (only those martyred by Rome, incidentally, and only those who were Roman citizens, through beheading - so not Stepehen, James or Peter!). Likewise, a ‘three group hypothesis’ resolves the problems concerning the status of the faithful dead during the ‘1000 years’ who had not been martyred as 1st century Roman citizens (if we are to see the 1000 years strictly as a time period, a view which I would also like to modify).
My point about “the first resurrection” still needs attention - particularly in the light of supporting evidence such as John 5:24-25 and John 5:28-29, and evidence elsewhere in the NT (Ephesians 2:6, Colossians 2:12 etc), that resurrection was envisaged in realities beginning on this earth before corporeal resurrection at the final judgment/return of Christ.
Again, I wonder whether part of the point of apocalyptic is to stir up debate without providing all the answers. Part of the debate here would be about the nature of the actual narrative which controls the faith story of the people of God. I still contend that there are problems in taking too unreconstructed a view of the OT narrative and applying it to the NT - using Matthew 24 as normative and around which all other aspects of the narrative are made to fit. I also contend that the view I am proposing harmonises with the rest of the NT, and does not introduce new eschatological categories (or details) which have not been developed anywhere else in the NT.